We will compare several ballistic properties such as bullet drop, muzzle velocity, and energy (what is the force hitting your target). We are going to look at Remington’s Core-Lokt .270 and .308 pointed soft point cartridges for comparison. I've always had a soft spot for the 270, kills well and doesn't recoil much, but once I sort of looked the chronograph data I've collected on both the 270 and the 7mm-08 over the past few years, something became clear to me: the 7-08 basically equals the 270 in velocity and energy if you are using the typical 22" 270 factory barrel. The .270 Win rounds all produce recoil energy over 17ft.lb while none of the .243 Win rounds reach over 12ft.lb. But between the .270 Winchester and the .280 Remington, which offers the best performance for the hunter? All around rifle? So, in this section we will discuss some generalities. Hunters are very loyal to their particular cartridge. If economical ammo is of importance, then forget about the .270. With proper shooting technique and scope placement, you should never have to worry about scope eye with either cartridge. I enjoy shooting bullet in the range of 170 to 220 grains travelling between 1800 to 2400 fps. Recoil energy for 270 WSM in an 8 pound rifle is 19 lbs, much less load variability. Some might consider the .270 130 grain a bit too light for elk or moose, especially if you are taking shots over 400 yards. To my shoulder, the 270 has a sharper recoil than the 308, and a little more too. First, we will take a look at the bullet drop rates for each caliber that have been zeroed in at 100 yards and then at 250 yards to get some short and long-range trajectory information. If you are going to need a little more distance, the .270 holds the advantage over the .308 caliber. I use only Barnes copper bullets, 130 and 140 grains for .270 and 150 and 165 grains for .308. Am I narrow minded? The .270 is prone to having a much sharper kick than the .308. The base diameter is 0.47 inch. The trend should remain consistent from cartridge to cartridge. What exactly are the differences between the two cartridges and how do you choose between the two for hunting? The .270 will have slightly less recoil than the .30-06 or .308, but the difference is not real noticeable. I used to own a gun shop and would mount scopes and sight in rifle at my range behind the shop. The .308 cartridge has an overall length of 2.8 inches with a base diameter of 0.47 inches. IMO they are all pussycats, the most mild mannered being the Sako primarily because it weighs the most. A debate that comes up often is which one is better when comparing the 270 vs 308. The average 12 ga Foster slug packs a lot more punch on the shooter's end than almost any .308 load I've shot, to include 190 SMKs. Perhaps auto spell correct took over… , I have a 300 Winchester magnum and a 270 Winchester I recently purchased the 270 Winchester and can’t wait to hunt with it when citing it and I notice it is very very accurate can someone laborate on that shooting a Winchester 130 grain PowerPoint bullet will this rifle also take elk and moose, Looking at the numbers on Hornady’s site, your numbers for the 270 don’t look right. That is to say,.270 Winchester bullets travel 3.5 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while.30-30 Winchester bullets travel 2.7 times that same speed. Therefore, the felt recoil of any specific cartridge will vary according to the specific firearm used to fire the round. However, time saw both these long-standing cartridges in the same arena and with a huge respective loyal user base. Newbie 25-06 vs 270 recoil. However, the .308 180 grain is a heavy bullet with a high muzzle velocity so you will feel it as well. If we simply look at the average recoil energy generated by these two cartridges and given by the ballistic calculator software, we see that the .270 and .308 are very similar (Graph 1). It's a very good question, and in this article we are going to show you the difference. Both of these calibers are going to have the stopping power to bring down just about any game you are hunting in North America besides maybe larger bears. It is a much longer cartridge than the .308. https://press.hornady.com/assets/pcthumbs/tmp/1410994454-2017-Standard-Ballistics-Chart.pdf. Affiliate Disclosure Terms and Conditions Shoot him in the ear hole. His arms did not fit my 270. TrekWarrior.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. The .308 caliber will give you many more options regarding bullet weight and design. 1 of 2 Go to page. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Recoil from a lighter .308 rifle will be a lot snappier than your slug gun, but not enough to make up for the difference in ft/lbs of recoil. I need to learn how to shoot a rifle first. This round is a great combination between a flat trajectory and moderate recoil. All things being as equal as possible the 308 is probably lighter in recoil. We are not advocating for one or the other, but wanted to provide the specs and discuss the differences between the two. However, since most modern .30-06 factory loads have a small edge in velocity (usually around 100-200fps) over .308 factory loads shooting the same weight bullet, the advantage in velocity of the .270 … By the numbers, according to the Chuck Hawks recoil table, an 8-lb. With a little practice on the range, any shooter can become accustomed to the kick. All in all, the 270 actually could be a great medium-long range … And that leads us back to our original question. For this reason, it is considered a short action caliber. This when I had both in Rem 700s. DMCA Policy For example, though your muzzle velocity for the 150g is 10 fps faster, their numbers @ 500 yards are 1931, 1242, and -44.1 for velocity, energy and drop. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 21 Posts. .270 Winchester VS .308 Winchester. Basically, Remington intended the caliber to be able to provide lesser recoil than a .308 while still being large and powerful enough to kill wild North American game effectively at long distances. This round was originally brought to be in the form of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, but Winchester commercially produced and sold it as the .308 Winchester. MEL . You have the numbers now, but we will be a little clearer about what those numbers mean regarding your hunting strategy. This stuff is great for plinking and it won't cost you an arm and a leg. It uses bullets from 100 to 150 grains, which can easily reach 2,900 and even 3000 frames per second. Before we jump into this, it is extremely important to remember that these values can change from manufacturer to manufacturer and according to the various cartridge types. I no longer have a .308 so my memory is not very fresh, mine was a Ruger ultra light with a pencil thin barel and the recoil was rather sharp for a short round, and my brothers Savage M99 .308 kicks! In 270 a Tikka Lite and a Rem 700, 308 a Rem 700 and a Sako Finnwolf. feels like it has milder recoil than a 308 Win. I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. We will also look at two different grains (bullet weight) for each caliber. That means 30-30 class for the lighter and 30-06 class for heavier bullets. My vote is the .270 Win. The chart you posted has the .270 with a recoil factor of 162.6 The .308 with a recoil factor of 35.2 And the 30-06 with a recoil factor of 60.1 So, if the chart is correct, the .270 would have significantly more recoil. When both are shooting a 150gr bullet in factory ammo, the .308 produces slightly less velocity with a bit less powder due to its smaller case. We will refer to the ballistics information. Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .270. While the .308 produces slightly more recoil energy (21.7ft.lb compared to 19.6ft.lb), it probably isn’t anything significant, especially to more experienced shooters. So, we are going to try to standardize this as much as possible by only looking at the properties of the .270 and .308 produced by the same ammunitions manufacturer. Let’s take a look at what makes them tick. Its only advantages in my book are ammo availability which again doesn't really bother me as I can get quality 270 right next to 308 at any outdoor store or even Walmart. I had a rather light Savage 110 .308 with an aluminum buttplate and it kicked worse than my .270's. For exa… This results in 1-2 ft-lbs less free recoil in rifles of equal weight and stock design. “We are not abdicating for one or the other…” Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. My vote is the .270 Win. While others are strictly monogamous and would not even consider a different caliber. Let's compare two top quality deer hunting loads. Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. rifle in .270 generates 16.5 ft-lbs of recoil with a 130-grain load at 3,140 fps. The.270 is a lot more pleasant to shoot both for less recoil and a lighter rifle. You will commonly see .270 referred to as .270 Win and made popular by the famous writer Jack O’Connor. Regardless, a lot of us have multiple rifles or maybe we are shopping around for a new hunting rifle. That takes nothing away from the rifle manufacturers or the guns in general, but the real power in the .270 Winchester is that it is a traditionalist’s cartridge. Originally Posted by Pharmseller. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. i’ve used the 7.62×51 during 2 tours in NAM 1969-1970 great caliber and have been using the same deer hunting for 47 years with great success all things aside the 308 has not let me down regardless weather a big game animal or viet cong you don’t have the right to ask a question as to why anyone would want a 308 it’s a great killing bullet in the right hands, I totally agree all I have ever used was a 270 caliber rifle!! Recoil energy for 308 in an 8 pound rifle is 16-17lbs depending on load. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. So, we will compare the .207 and .308 in different hunting scenarios. Then, use the process in this article to decide what caliber you need. Legal Disclaimer. Just look for high B.C. I replaced it with a Mark X Mauser in 300 Win Mag with a decent pad that doesn't hurt at all, although the actual recoil is higher. shot_out Member. The .270 maintains a flatter trajectory over longer distances while the .308 can pack a punch within shorter ranges. Since the .308 Winchester is essentially a scaled down .30-06, with the exception of recoil (which we’ll get to in a minute) the .270 Winchester has the same advantages over the .308 as it does over the .30-06. She did swap it out for a Rem 760 in 270 to match her 870 Trap and skeet guns(she could shoot doubles with a pump and it sounded like an auto). .270 WSM vs .308 or .300WMS. Originally Posted by raybass. You probably won't notice the difference. We are heading out for him to try to git his first buck. To me recoil is not a problem but muzzle blast is . It has a long history of being the best and the rifles that shoot it are spectacular, in general. They are probably pretty close on recoil charts but the above make all the difference IMHO. May be. Finally, we will compare the energy (Feet/Pound) of the bullets at several yard intervals. Go. It really does shoot flatter and longer than a 308 I have killed a lot of deer and all has been with a 270, Have to agree with you both I have hunted all my life with 270 and have made some awesome shots with it. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. Regardless, neither caliber will fly out of your hands. A lot of small factors can impact the ballistics of a certain cartridge. Also, the effects of recoil are cumulative. That is a rather comical typo! Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .308. I had a Remington Model Seven in 308 with a Limbsaver pad on it that was more comfortable to shoot in a t-shirt than a M94 in 30/30. All Rights Reserved. Next, we will look at the muzzle velocity (feet/second) and velocity at certain yard intervals commonly encountered when hunting. However, the boosted speed and energy requires more powder and longer action, resulting in a heavyweight gun and higher recoil. As far as recoil of 270 vs 308 win, in my experience the 270 has a touch more.. Check out my articles on ACP as well as rimfire to learn more.​. With proper shooting technique and scope placement, you should never have to worry about scope eye with … If you are considering a new rifle to add to your arsenal, two of the more popular cartridges used in hunting include the .308 and .270 caliber. The length measurement fluctuates based on bullet’s design. With .308 and the .30-06, you have access to military surplus ammo. When going after bigger game with shots within 250 yards, the .308 is a fantastic choice. This site is owned and operated by Trek Warrior in McKinney, Texas. Of course, as we all know, you cannot just willingly swap out any caliber for your rifle as they are chambered to hold certain cartridges. . I also have a tikka .243 & tikka .223 , and the Winchester 22.250 which is also being sold. I'm not fond of the 25-06 either for the same reason. Both winchester using powermax bonded bullets, 130 grain for the 270 WSM and 150 for the 308. the 270 WSM starts out at 3000 fps while the 308 is barely above 2500. All these can change the ballistic numbers. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional to recoil. But, from this ballistic data, you have two calibers that behave very similar to one another. Lots of overlap depending. bullets to shoot through it. had a couple 270's make me feel like a wimp just due to the damn stock. Thread starter shot_out; Start date Nov 6, 2016; 1; 2; Next. We could honestly take any two calibers common to hunting and find hunters who will debate which of the two are the best cartridge until the day they die with neither party being swayed. Best 22 Pistols: Top 5 Handguns For The Range, https://press.hornady.com/assets/pcthumbs/tmp/1410994454-2017-Standard-Ballistics-Chart.pdf, Remington Core-Lokt (Available in 150 and 180 grain), Winchester Super-X Power Point ( Available in 150 and 180 grain), Nosler Ballistic Tip (Available in 125 and 165 grain), Black Hills (Available in 168 and 175 grain), Federal Premium (Available in 168 and 175 grain), Remington Core-Lokt (Available in 130 and 150 grain), Winchester Super-X Power Point ( Available in 130 and 150 grain), Federal Premium (Available in 130 and 140 grain). Went to ableammo.com and checked a few different models in .270 vs .308 and there was no difference in listed weight. This is a common question many hunters have, especially when considering a hunting rifle for younger hunters. It was devised by necking down the .308 Winchester caliber’s neck, in order for the overall bullet to have a smaller diameter. And regardless of your choice, a good shot with either caliber is going to end in a successful hunt! Nosler provided the data used to compare the recoil of the cartridges (here and here). I own my father’s 22 hornet brno and I shot extensively calibers from .22 lr to .458 winchester, but a 170 grains round bullet in 30-30 and .220 grain in 30-06 are a kind I like to shoot. Many thanks for the great info, i’ll Now have 3 calibers with the 3 tikka’s that will suit my needs and if I get to the Northern Territory to hunt buffalo i’ll Buy a 9.3 x 62 What we mean by this is that the cartridge size is almost identical to the 30-06, but the bullet has a smaller diameter. The .270 is prone to having a much sharper kick than the .308. Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. Heavier bullets and increased powder are going to increase the amount of recoil. Forced to make a choice for and all around rifle between 30-30 and 30-06 range I will choice the 7mauser with it’s mild loads. 1; 2 ... You can generally have a nice muzzle brake put on a rifle for about $150, and this should put the recoil to about .308 or maybe less. Recoil (sometimes called “kick”) is the rearward movement of the firearm when fired. What we hope, is that by providing you with some background and numbers, you can look at your hunting situation and make an educated decision on which particular caliber will suit your hunting needs better. I hunt mainly pigs , some deer, foxes and rabbits. That being said, the overall trends should remain relatively the same between calibers and grains. According to this they're so close you wouldn't know the difference : I have to go with stock design/fit/recoil pad. It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. The information is available if you can find it. You can bet that the .308 will never be out of stock. We are going to mention a lot of numbers in this section. Now concerning recoil, you should be aware of the bullet size and the amount of powder in the cartridge. I'd rather shoot the 308. Finally I am not a hunter but a man who likes carry a gun while relaxing in the bush. Both calibers can deliver over a thousand pounds of pressure at 400 yards. My mind is now made up as I will sell the Brno 308. More ammunition manufacturers produce the 308 vs 270 in America. The modern day .270 cartridge is usually around 3.3 inches long. I had a .270 in a Rem 700 adl with a checkered aluminum butt plate that hurt my shoulder and left a bruise on my cheek bone after just a few shots. Enjoy this article about the 6.5 Creedmoor vs 308 Winchester debate? Quite a few cartridges are produced with varying grain bullets, bullet material, shape, and powder loads. Both calibers can take down a deer. 25-06 vs 6.5 Creedmoor vs 270 Winchester: The Results Might Surprise You. If you hunt for fun primary, choice a mild rifle you enjoy shooting and select the animal and the distance accordingly. You want to see an animal drop right now? Felt as impact on our shoulder when we shoot, the amount of recoil generated by any rifle load depends on several factors, including the weight and design of the rifle. Buying the best .270 Winchester rifle is more about deciding that you need a .270 Winchester than it is about picking a specific rifle. One has its origins in the military while the other was manufactured for hunting. feels like it has milder recoil than a 308 Win. This is a common question many hunters have, especially when considering a hunting rifle for younger hunters. Just seems to kick more than it should. I have 2 270 Win rifles and 2 308 rifles. Perceived recoil, or what the shooter feels, is purely subjective. It is a well known cartridge, capable of travelling long distances with lots of energy to knock down your intended target. More powder and heavier bullets are going to lead to more recoil. Earnings Disclaimer Above that recoil becomes increasingly intrusive. Stand by your gun and enjoy being in wilderness more than what kind of animal you bring back home. LOL. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. Winchester Improved the 3006 by Producing the 270. Please share it with your friends on Facebook and Twitter. Shoot him in the ear hole. It depends on the individual load and rifle. I suppose if you had two identical rifles with loads designed to produce equal recoil a blind test would have to come out as indistinguishable. Now shoot on me. The gun I hated to have to sight in was my wifes early Rem 700 ADL in 270 Win, it just plain hurt to do it. 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